The season long loan of Jaco Taute to the Stormers could become a little more permanent, if latest reports are to be believed.
Keo.co.za reports that Taute has signed the loan deal, with the option of making it a permanent deal as his contract with the Lions is up at the end of the 2013 season.
This could mean that Taute will play Super Rugby for the Stormers and return to the Lions for the promotion/relegation match with the lowest finishing South African team in Super Rugby, only to return to the Stormers after the Lions’ Currie Cup campaign next year.
Taute was quoted as saying that he could stay on if he wanted to.
This will be a massive blow to the Lions in terms of player retention, and quite the coup for the Stormers if they are able to pull it off.
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I’m guessing that Elton wished he didn’t wait this long to pen his deal….after his past three performances on the rugby field I’m not sure that even Proooovince is desperate enough to pick him up.
He might find a lone contract with the Griquas, as that seems to be the destination of promising youngsters never able to live up to all the hype.
@FireTheLooser (Comment 1) :
I reckon Jantjies will come out of this bad patch an even better player, and prove fair weather fans like yourself wrong in the long run.
The kid has got some serious talent, I doubt a few bad Currie Cup preformances will do his reputation any harm. He IS the best flyhalf option for the Boks at the moment.
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@Richard Ferguson (Comment 2) : ”He IS the best flyhalf option for the Boks at the moment.”
Get ready for an assault
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@Richard Ferguson (Comment 2) : Why is he the best Bok option AT THE MOMENT? He has been really bad in his last 3 games and his form suggests that he is not nearly the best option at the moment.
He needs to find his mojo again but @FireTheLooser (Comment 1) : has a point that on current form some frontline bidders may be thinking twice about it and he has also started to develop a nasty tendency to question the linesmen in a not very nice way when things arent going his way.
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@Richard Ferguson (Comment 2) :
I believe the word ‘fickle’ springs to mind Rich.
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@Salmonoid (Comment 4) :
Same thinking applies as to my Jantjies comment..
A few good Currie Cup games does not make you the Springbok incumbent.. simple really..
Yes, Lambie is in good form at the moment, I agree, but both players have to go through Super Rugby playing flyhalf before a call can be made..
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@Salmonoid (Comment 4) :
And Jantjies has been playing good rugby AT FLYHALF for the entire year already, Lambie had two good games…
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@Richard Ferguson (Comment 6) :
@Richard Ferguson (Comment 7) :
Im talking form here, and in this case bad form. I think I now understand Meyers thinking with regards to Steyns selection, he showed good form over the last 3 years despite being poor this year and therefore deserved to be played above anyone else that showed good current form.
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@Richard Ferguson (Comment 6) : Lambie has played flyhalf in SR, few games this year and previous years as well. Jantjies, Goosen will be above average flyhalf, but anyone that knows a bit of rugby knows that Lambie is in the Carter mold. For some reason, only Springbok coaches and a few supporters refuse to see this. Almost every oppertunity Lambie has been given at flyhalf, he has impresses (with the boks as well, so you can’t give the SR excuse), even when against the odds, as he did now after playing very little rugby in the last few months!
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@Salmonoid (Comment 8) : lambie played against an erratic griquas side and a nowhere bulls team.
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@HeinF (Comment 9) :
If he was in the Carter mould, then why has he not been playing at flyhalf consistently over the last few years?
Don’t get me wrong, I rate Lambie as a very talented flyhalf, with a long career ahead of him, but he does not deserve to be Bok flyhalf above Jantjies on this end of year tour, simple as Jantjies has had a better year in the position.
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@Megatron (Comment 10) :
Two games that the Sharks pack dominated..
Jantjies is showing equally if not better form behind a pack nowhere near as good as the Sharks, and consistently for two seasons now..
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@Richard Ferguson (Comment 12) : Its no coincidence that Jantjies has suddenly started underperforming (according to some) just as Lambie made his comeback
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Told ya so
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@Richard Ferguson (Comment 2) : it also amazes me that the same people who complain about the over-the-top Rhule praise from the commentators don’t see the same thing happening with Lambie. Even when he kicked the ball out on the full the commentators found a positive for him.
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@Megatron (Comment 10) : Jantjies played against a pissy Bulls side, a so so Province side – he was on the losing side both times, and his poor form, to an extent, contributed to both those losses.
I wont comment on Lambie, who you like Richard somehow believe was mentioned in my post, ok just one small something on Lambie then – 2 x MOM.
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@molly (Comment 15) : Lambie is a Shark and Rhule not
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I’ve had my say – it is my opinion..
The point I wanted to make is that Jantjies deserves the Bok jersey on the end of year tour more than Lambie – taking nothing away from either player’s talent.
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@Richard Ferguson (Comment 11) : I think Jantjies is a good 10 prospect as is Lambie and Goosen, but I honestly did not see anything special (except in the S15 game against the Sharks in JNB when the Lions pack dominated the Sharks) from Jantjies this year to elevate him above Lambie at this stage.
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@Richard Ferguson (Comment 12) : So now the Lions have got a crap pack.
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@Richard Ferguson (Comment 11) : He has been used where he was needed, especially in the bok team. Who would say no to playing fullback for the boks? He has played most of his rugby at flyhalf last year though, and this year he started FH in SR, but then picked up an injury. After that Freddy was playing FH,you knwo the story. Had he not been touring with the boks, he would have been playing FH for the sharks the whole CC, as that is where the sharks rate him. I make this statement, knowing it can never be proven, but he would have been treated very differently had he been born in NZ, playing his rugby under the coahing system they have there. But hey,just my opinion…guess I am still a bit worked up over the way Heyneke treated him this year!
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@Salmonoid (Comment 16) : i feel sorry for Meyer now, when lambie was catching splinters with the Boks, how many MoM’s did Jantjies accumulate?
lambie plays 2 games and he is ON-FORM hehehe
clearly there’s not understanding of the term form here
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@Salmonoid (Comment 16) : what do you mean by poor form? Just his kicking at posts?
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@molly (Comment 15) : Just watch Lambie’s hands, his split-second decision making, the time he has on the ball and you will know why he is the best FH in SA
I’m not just stating this, really take a close look, not just watch a game of rugby, too many people doing this, so all they see is the momenst of brilliance or the mistakes made. That is why commentators (who usually know what to look for) will always rate Lambie
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@Megatron (Comment 22) : Tell me about Jantjies’ form in his last 3 games?
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@Richard Ferguson (Comment 12) :
Fair enough but Lambie has been benched by the Boks during the CC so he hasn’t really had a chance to impress. I think he has done bloody well considering the small amount of gametime(at 15) he’s had recently.
@molly (Comment 23) : Not just his kicking, his indecisivness, his passing, his running laterally into his own player not knowing what to do with the ball in hand and then just giving it to him in a forward motion.
His kicking cost the Lions the semi.
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Can I remind everyone, this thread was about Taute
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@JarsonX (Comment 28) : Taute, his form has also taken a dip since being with the Boks.
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Guys get your facts right, Lambie played at flyhalf for the Sharks in Super Rugby this year. It was only when Michalak, later in the season, found form at flyhalf did Lambie move to full back. Such good form that he is back in favour for France. Every game Lambie played at flyhalf he was brilliant even when our forwards struggled against some of the top packs in Super Rugby. What’s this 2 games crap? Jantjies shows moments of class and can go from brilliant to pathetic in one match. Just enough to loose you a close test match. Or he can be bad all through the game just like his last Currie Cup match. When I see him play I think of Earl Rose and even Gaffie du Toit. Players with great promise but lacking in BMT. I still can’t believe some people still refer to Steyn have you actually watched him play at fly half, forget the kicking, just watch his flyhalf play, at no time has it been good. You need to be brilliant to be a Springbok.
By the way I do think Jantjies will make a good back up for Lambie at Springbok flyhalf, with experience he will become more consistent. I don’t see him being put out to pasture like Gaffie & Rose.
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@Salmonoid (Comment 29) : Meyer and Koen has that effect on people
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@Salmonoid (Comment 25) : kicking or general play?
i recall him being rested in one of the games, how much can one read in 2/3 games?
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@Megatron (Comment 32) : The whole discussion centred around @FireTheLooser (Comment 1) : comment where he clearly mentioned the last 3 performances ie CURRENT, CURRENT and for good measure CURRENT form. That is all I was commenting on and was not comparing him to anyone either. He has come back from the Boks in worse off form than when he was called up.
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if Goosen can be injured from March, play one half of a game in August and jump straight into the match 22 then Lambie is in the form of his life…
Start lambie at 10 Heyneke!
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@Salmonoid (Comment 33) : since jantjies played at for the Boks at Soccer City, how many games has he played for the Lions?
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I’m reliably informed that Taute was misquoted by Gareth Duncan and never actually said that.
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Neither Jantjies or Lambie should be rated or compared based on their last 3 games.
And in my opinion based on the last 3 years – That’s since 2010, when both players became important players for their senior teams, first in Curie Cup rugby that year and then in 2 Super Rugby campaigns after that – both players should be considered and given a proper opportunity to showcase their talents at higher levels.
Goosen is injured so fortunately this simplifies the debate. And it really shouldn’t be a question of who should play, because based on the last 3 years they both could be good enough, but neither has been given an opportunity to prove that they are.
Both players can be given equal opportunity. Both players can be given the same number of starts and the same time of the bench. I feel both players should be used only at 10. And by the end of the EOYT the national selectors and fans should have a better idea of which one of the players should be used in future games.
Btw, I feel MS should be excluded from the squad completely. It will be to tempting just to play him, as he would probably be good enough for the opposition we’re facing.
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@Megatron (Comment 35) : 2
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And someone can check this, but I am almost certain Lambie has played more games at 10/12 than he has played at 15 for the Sharks.
This is just of memory, but in 2010 he made his debut in s14 rugby at 15, I think playing 8 games.
Then that CC he played I can remember 2 games at 15 and the rest at 12/10.
In 2011 he played 10 the whole season, up to the end when Freddie came as “scrumhalf back up” and lambie played 15 in the last 3 games.
Then he joined the WC team at 15 having played very few games there for the Sharks and joined the Sharks at the end of the CC and played 15 in the last few games.
in 2012 SR he started of the season playing 10, up until the Hurricanes game where he was injured. He was back at 10 for the next game and played there up to the Force game where he got injured again. Only after that when he came back did he play 15… I think in 6 or 7 of the 19 games he played …. And was picked as a 15 for the Boks again!
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Oh and btw since Lambie started playing for the Sharks we’ve reached 4 finals (this being the 4th) and the only one where we came out on top Lambie was playing at 10 … and was intergral in the win with a man of the match performace – against WP!. Just something to consider.
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@Letgo (Comment 37) :
A level headed comment by a sharkie . well done !!!!!
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@Letgo (Comment 40) : Best stats I’ve read all week
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@robdylan (Comment 36) :
There is hope yet !!!!!
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@Zibbie (Comment 41) : As a Lions fan, what is your take on Eltons last 2 games, were you happy with his performance?
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@Salmonoid (Comment 44) :
Not good at all . But i know what he can do so i back him to make a comeback . whether he should play for the Boks or not … dont know … i suppose rather not .
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@Zibbie (Comment 45) : Is Butch still with you guys next year. I read that he is coming back to the Sharks. I thought he looked really good in the Bulls game (at flyhalf)
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@Salmonoid (Comment 46) :
He was going to retire . heard rumors that he is reconsidering .
But i believe Hofman Maritz (spelling ?) from the Griquas is joining the Lions next season so he will cover FH while Elton is at the stormers (assuming he goes to the stormers )
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@Richard Ferguson (Comment 18) : Kind of reminds me of the time you were singing HM’s praises, you had your say then too – until the Megatron arrived
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@Megatron (Comment 22) : Coming from a Kings supporter, that comment will have to be taken with an oz of salt
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@FireTheLooser (Comment 48) : blaady agent!
@FireTheLooser (Comment 49) : who one supports has no bearing on their rugby knowledge, no?
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@Megatron (Comment 50) : Awww come on Mega, you know I have to exploit your weakness – your undying love for the Kings
It’s kind of like your kryptonite
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Don’t know why all of you fighting the elton vs Lambie duel – morné steyn will start at 10 for bokke untill goosen plays again.
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@JD (Comment 52) : we all hope lambie gets the jersey…because we want SA to win a game
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Think we all hope Lambie will get to start for bokke at 10 but morné will start.
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@JD (Comment 52) :
Watch carefully . Goosen will always be injured .
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I always thought some of the Lions players wont come back
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